Re: 1 more thing before I go....

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: : : : : : Well, what do you know? I already have a thought to add.... : : : Whenever I think about my primary fixation, I realize that I feel as though it's not a legitimate part of me, but a terminal flaw that I've picked up over the years of my life. Someone might ask "So that's you?" And I might say "Nah. That's just a weird habit I have. My personality (fixation) is just a tiny, incremental part of me. Nothing but a superficial force of habit...." This seems to go against your "virtue/vice-light/shadow" idea. When I'm feeling the low sides of 3, 4, and 5 (and yes, I do happen to excel in adjacent numbers, just like I'm "supposed" to. So what?), I do not feel the "virtue" side of it anywhere. I do not see the proverbial "light at the end of the tunnel." Of course, in these instances, when the shadow reigns, the virtue is hidden from the conscience. : : : That's all for now. : : : -Derf (which, if you didn't notice, is "Fred" spelled backwards. Har har har). : : : : : Hi Fred, : : Just a quick response because you got me thinking again and I will write more later....for now, my thoughts are : : ....your pretty hard on yourself and though I'm certain unique, you do remind me of one of by best friends who is also a 4 . "terminal flaw" , : : "superficial force of habit".....you make me giggle....very descriptive.but that superficial force of habit needs necessarily to be a strong ego container to carry around that man that is you and I bet isn't so superficial after all...4's tend to see light talk, socializing as superficial to all the "real" stuff going on in them or in the room or others.....my friend wishes sometimes he could make small talk as to not seem so disinterested in others or so serious when everyone trying to be light or seemingly superficial.......I understand both and perfer the H D R's (heavy, deep, and real) to superficiality but I don't think : : Derf that your actual personality is merely a force of habit.... : : "light at the end of the tunnel seems to be a 2 thing and a stance that 7's actually need to work on. I think it's why Hellen Palmer erks 4's in using the term "Tragic Romantic" is they cannot see the light they only see in that moment the "tragic" aspect and in fact seem to romance "it" in their focus...(why artists get the name crazy or excentric) .........Likely why 2's frustrate 4's yet in the same note appreciate them for friends.....for hopefully they will point out the light : : in the dark which any creative person is glad to see .......but as I have learned 4's only see what is pointed out when they are ready to let go of the tragedy...... : : I want to respond more when I'm a little more awake... It's fun talking with you...I've read other things you've written or responded to ....kind of helps to know you better........Oh yes one more thing : : I have few nines in my life I seem to get frustrated by them after a point ....my oldest daughter is a nine who I delight in and can appreciate her ways in her home ....my sons girlfriend is a 9 similiar to my daughter and again wonderful ...I chuckle at some of their ways and fine them very easy to be with in their calm approach to life ....on the other hand I was in relationship with a man who was an unhealthy 9 and after a short time I discovered I could not let go and conform by accepting his avoidance of the real issues......Again all very different people but for me a little more difficult to relate to the deeper issues they have to face.....I like to face everything ...sometimes to a fault ...when there is nothing to face I find something somehow..to understand or see........tiring too I suppose and my : : friends, family and myself chuckle then too, at me......We all have our stuff but its when we get to share in it together and others let us be ourselves and us them and actually delight in each others differences that I think the fun really begins. That stuff is us ....You've heard the ole "I'm okay, Your okay" thing ....I prefer the "I'm not okay and Your not okay and it's okay" Talk to you later : : Have a good day .........I can be e-mailed at clv@netidea if you should want ....this seems to be working though...I applaud the person who started it ...guess I should tell them Okay goodnight : hello still.........thought provoking and slightly addictive, I've found in reading what so many have written ........I see many of you are in University and have had the opportunity to study the Enneagram extensively .......thats great ...I myself plan in the near future to go down to New Mexico and study at the "Center of Action and Contemplation" where Richard Rohr teaches other than that have not ever had the opportunity to go to even a workshop. I've been asked to put on workshops here in town for nothing thus far has been offered........one day maybe .. : Derf when you said 9gram I hadn't realized it as another name for the enneagram ......I looked as it as 9's in the 9gram.. : In brief my 4 friend I mentioned dropped over with Richard Rohr's book called "Simplicity" .....after I was finished reading it, I look to see what other new books He may have written...an incrediable man I've listen to and learned from for almost 18 years.........In the back was his book Discovering the Enneagram .....I hadn't a clue what it was but knew if Richard offered it I wanted to hear it ....I ordered the book and lo and behold it was the tool I had hoped exsisted for as long as I can remember .......to me it was the ''wise man" I had always sought to learn from ......this was maybe 5 years or more ago ........I share it or mention it to people in all walks of life .........I'm a firm believer in "the truth sets you free" and see its right in front of us ....simply, may I add : although I love the psycho chat that goes along with it....and find it essential to my well being... : I have friends some of who were interested to a point of discovering their type and identify with it, but that was all they could injest and others who went a little further and use it to help in times of crisis with self or others and my daughter and my 4 friend have gone the furthest with me in discovering, both with their limits.......I have been doing consciously the hard work of being human for about 18 years ....inner healing and exploration ........It's my passion.........Coming to know understand the Divine wasn't difficult for me but people wow were alot and I sought to understand them and have found the enneagram tool an incredible asset in doing so. : Thanks for asking : Carol

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