Re: 4s, 9s and abandonment

Posted by Tuppence on March 30, 2001 at 14:24:52:

In Reply to: 4s, 9s and abandonment posted by Bigby on March 30, 2001 at 08:15:18:

In object relations terms, the diferrence would be the stage of separation for 4 or 9. Everyone is gradually separating and individuating. Gut is an aspect of moving on. Lacking gut access, interferes with the process. 4s
have an underlying sadness (depressive) due to unresolved loss. Focus on
felt emotion and the missing aspect of life avoids "getting over it."
By contrast, 9 may be over identified with "other" and comforatble with the
status quo. Personality may be submerged/underdeveloped. Attempts to move
on result in ontological anxiety. (a void where ego ought to be.) The solution for both 4 and 9 is working through the abandonment depression to
find ego strength and personal accountability. For 4, that is arrow move
to 1. For 9 that is arrow move to 3. When authors talk about parent
relationship, I think they are talking (caregiver) archetypes and the manner in which each type pays attention to early life. 5s are in a
similar pattern;mental detachment self/object issues manifest as schizoid traits. Gut is at 8 and used to defend against introjects and moves 5s to engage life.

Selective Seritonin Re-uptake Inhibitors are the drug of choice. SAM-e is
the herbal.

Follow Ups:

• Re: 4s, 9s and abandonment Blah 16:15:33 03/30/01 (1)
  • As one who's tried both, I'd recommend the g and t. nt Tiggy 19:34:06 03/30/01 (0)
• Strange interpretation Tiggy 14:29:32 03/30/01 (4)
  • Well, how about....blah, blah Tuppence 18:41:02 03/30/01 (3)
    • "All at once" phenomenon Cory 22:34:33 03/30/01 (1)
      • Synchronicity: it's aura-full! Sarah N. Dippity (no T, no A) 00:36:15 03/31/01 (0)
    • Thankyou. Yes, gin and tonics do ease the anxiety. nt Tiggy 19:33:07 03/30/01 (0)

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