Posted by Sarah N. Dippity (no T, no A) on March 31, 2001 at 00:36:15:
In Reply to: "All at once" phenomenon posted by Cory on March 30, 2001 at 22:34:33:
> Gin & Tonic? For the longest time I never heard that mentioned but today I've been seeing it everywhere. I saw a Tom Collins reference in the comics today, and this reference here, and I saw a reference on some other internet site today.
> Tomorrow I won't hear about it again for like six months.
> -Cory
> > Gurdjieff used "personality" and "essence." Ochazo used "ego" and "essence."
> > In non-essence (personality or ego) a "false-self" exists.
> > Developing "real-self" involves aquiring the ability to observe the "false-self" at work in daily life. Our fixations by type impede this process.
> > Releasing fixations facilitates "real-self," but does not automatically
> > result in "essence." It is a step in the right direction. Riso uses levels of health. One does not leave "self" "personality" "ego" and become
> > essence. One aquires the ability to experience "essence" as transcendance is developed.
> > Some suggest a fence. I am on one side; Essence is on the other. I develop
> > an ability to jump up and glimpse esence. I get brief insights; I do not
> > climb over the fence. My "self" develops (Riso's level of health.) I am
> > aware of living in essence, but unable to do it unconditionally. The
> > Five Centers concept considers this topic (personality, essence.)
> > Withdrawing types (4,5,9) have fixations that result in diminished access
> > to Gut. Increasing awareness and appropriate use of Gut releases the grip
> > of the fixation. (The ego-fixation is lessened; "true self" can see "false self." Ego-dystonic and ego-syntonic become more apparent. "I" emerges.
> > I suspect that you consider that particular "I" as essence. I am saying that for withdrawing types, "I" is more nascent than that. Gut makes boundaries possible. With boundaries, "I" can evolve. Before there was
> > a more diffuse sense of "I."
> > In the earlier post about abandonment, I suggested that the barrier to
> > separation was depression (lack of will-ful, self investment) and that
> > working through the "abandonment depression" involved developing a sense
> > of independent self (or ego.) I am not suggesting a stronger ego-fixation.
> > I am suggesting a different "level of health." In enneagram terms, gut
> > is the remedy. Arrows point the way. I suggested that 4 and 9 differ
> > in the extent of self-other separation and the way in which they "pay attention." Working through differs but is seritonin mediated. Transference
> > may do it; SSRIs will do it. SAM-e may help. Gin and Tonics will ease
> > the anxiety up to a point.
> > Books have been written by better and clearer writers than I, so I cannot
> > improve upon them in a post. Terminology is somewhat subjective.
> > My own usage may be imprecise. I do see matters out of my own window and am attempting to describe the view. Your window might have a different view.