Posted by Riv on May 30, 2001 at 11:34:48:
In Reply to: Re: Ah, but if it's at core about pleasing parents... posted by RoTtEn ApPlE on May 30, 2001 at 10:20:15:
> > > ... they are more likely a 3 disguised as a 5. (Not an uncommon phenomenon.)
> > I see what you are saying but disagree. The 3 would fake the deep thinking and be conscious of making a good impression. The gist of their conversation would revolve around what people are thinking about them rather than being lost in thought and talking about obscure and intuitive topics. Rather than pleasing parents as a core motivation, it is a sub route from the major road of being influenced by parents into the values of the style of thought and learning.
> >>>Apparently you don't. Motivation doesn't have to be (and generally isn't) CONSCIOUS, my good man. VALUES may be TAUGHT... personality is not. (Though granted conditioning can play a part). Hell, for a three, it can even be displaced to pleasing the internalized parent... and YOU, the outsider, might never see it.
Motivation generally is conscious or at least pre conscious. Otherwise you for instance might actually be an eight. How could you know? You would wrongly think you were a 4. We aren't around you in real life to see what goes on. We on the board have no way of knowing except to hold the belief that you and we know our true motivation. And I doubt the people who know you with a few exceptions are going to tell you "Hey Liz. You ain't motivated by creativity but by power". Or whatever.
Personality may or may not be taught in infancy. We all are born with tendencies. What pushes out a prime motivation? It might be genes or it may be conditioning. What makes you an artist? Genes or some favorable stimulus that may look unrelated but actually started you off as an infant?
Maybe some nice music playing on a beautiful day the first time that crayons were dropped off in your crib?
_Riv