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Enneagram Main Board Archive Re: A new Developmental theoryPosted by Kronus on October 25, 1998 at 11:32:48: In Reply to: Re: A new Developmental theory posted by Derf on October 25, 1998 at 09:55:50:
: My siblings and I are 5/4 (youngest), 7w6 (middle), and 4 (oldest - me) - there was nothing non-traditional about our upbringing. My parents were 1w2 and 9w8 - conformists to the hilt. If they were a little awkward (which is not necessarily an accusation of "evil" or anything), it wasn't for lack of trying to be the blandest middle-class suburban outfit. : Another family I know (parents: 4w3 and 1w9; children: 6w5, 6w7, 3w2) demonstrate the reverse of my situation - unconventional parents and ultra-conformist kids. : I admit that your neat little theory *******It is not a Theory at all it is an idea. It is not even a "stated hypothesis". ******* Nothing personal or condescending here just a technical term that DOES have definitional limitations! is the first of its kind that I've taken the time to try to comprehend. This is partly because I don't care too much for the "quantum" mathematical/structural side of spirituality, or for bone-dry philosophy in general, but also because I've been feeling the limitations of this kind of exchange medium. ******"OUCH, I feel the sting of that!" (as I also feel the sting of "hiding behind big words..."). As a paraphrase of the line from Inherit the Wind goes: " Words are a damn poor means of communication and we should use every damn one that God gave us." Personally, I have to believe that this medium is unlimited, people can say things and proffer ideas here that they can't in an oral or literal arena. Bone-dry is not how I would describe my understanding of philosophical studies nor would I admit to a mathematical/structural quantum approach. But as the Wu Li master dances he engages in activities which are structured by the nature of Nature and natures laws: we are, we do, we observe, we become because of the universal laws of the cosmos. Adller repeats this when he says that there are very few fundamental truths the rest is just opinion.
******Fine, but whenever asked, most posters to this board clam up and wait for some form of incitement! Ironically, this board, of late, has been experiencing more abstract theory promotions than ever before. *****The ideas (not theories) proposed here ARE the sharings of idividuals who are a product of TIME and EVENTS to the power of each individuals time and experience. These are the questions of our lives. Their is certainly more honesty here than in any of the enneagram groups I have ever observed. I find it difficult for anyone to hold the hard-edge of personal honesty when they are trying to maintain their own fascade against the onslaught of thirty or forty people all doing the same, up front and personal as it is in face-to-face meetings. The Internet and the books were a wonderful primer, but after a year of exchanging ideas (and sometimes even *experiences* once in a while) on boards like this, and two years of knowing about the "gram" in general, I think I'm through taking the third-hand "conceptual theorizations" so seriously, and my next step, if there is any, will be to experience the "oral tradition" in the form of teachers and pupils who are willing to share first-hand experiences about the fascination and ordeal of living with their personalities. If I attend workshops and training, maybe I'll even speak up in them! I consider myself bashful, awkward, and too self-conscious to even risk humiliation, but maybe I'm actually cut out for spiritual gatherings, because oddly, I speak up more easily when the information has at least a personable edge to it. It flows more naturally. I can be "sure" of the outside world only when it's not facing me - i.e., only when I'm secluded, or at most, with a few individuals who have learned to put up with my "philosophy." I could never promote "head-in-the-clouds" theory in front of a bunch of eyes, so maybe those eyes will be useful in keeping me on track. Affronted by a crowd, all I can be sure about is what's going on inside of me. And that's exactly what they will want to hear. Maybe E4/INFP (that's me, of course!) should work on E1/ESTJ skills. (Not that I ever hope to genuinely get along with that particular type!) This Enneagram/MB business has been all about growth, self-esteem, and understanding, and there are other paths to take. ******I am frustrated as well with this medium and its obvious limitations. Structurally, we might all be better living in a monastery and following the vows of the enneagram order, questioning only at mealtime. But this system has its disadvantages as well. At foundation you leave or stay, that is what Kronus
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