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Enneagram Main Board Archive It's good that you're brainstorming, but I think you're thinking along the wrong linesPosted by Bartholomew (63.214.75.15) on April 28, 2002 at 10:22:49: In Reply to: Re: And after you've mulled my last post over... posted by KJ Always (209.214.12.10) on April 28, 2002 at 01:05:55: "The Type 6 Enneagram" relates to trust. Type 6 is the base for the framework, and types 1 and 5 have already been fit in, AS THEY RELATE TO TRUST (Sorry for the capitals, but I can't do italics, and capitals are close enough). Type 5 decides what ideas to trust, and type 1 trusts his ideas strongly. They are two aspects of the same trait--trust as it relates to ideas. Optimally, we could rephrase types 7 and 2 as two aspects of trust as it relates to (something). Even more optimally, we could say that type 7 is concerned with deciding what to trust about that (something), and type 2 is concerned with trusting that (something) strongly, but perhaps that's too much symmetry to hope for. > It is easy to mistype 7 and 2 because they are both in the Positive Outlook Triadic group! When it comes to triads, I just say no. But that's a possible starting point. Being optimistic means that 7 and 2 tend to trust the world. The easiest thing would be to say that type 7 is involved with deciding what sensations to trust, and type 2 is involved with following those sensations. But that's not quite right. It fits type 7, because of their endless sensory experimentation, but not type 2; type 2 follows ONE sensation, that of love. Maybe we could say that type 2 is concerned with trusting love, and type 7 is concerned with deciding what to love. That's VERY similar to type 1 being concerned with trusting ideas, and type 5 being concerned with deciding what ideas to trust. How does that sound? It's a little misleading, though, because type 7 is concerned with deciding what One thing that would make it all fit is if type 2 wasn't just involved with loving other people. If type 2 was involved with loving anything external, it'd work. Have you read anything of that nature? > From my experience with the Enneagram and people, I discovered that they are actually connected to one another in some kind of way. Like the 7 and 2 are both in the Positive Outlook Group. People are similar and opposite simultanteously. If you disagree with me, it is okay because we all have a right to our own perceptions and can't truly control the thoughts of others, even though we may try to, sometimes. ha, ha, ha. I don't consider the Enneagram types as representing people. I consider them as representing motivations. I believe that each person has many motivations, so they have many, if not all, types (in varying degrees). We say that the motivation that dominates the person most is that person's type. > I agree with you on their oppositions, but I am going to give you an example of their similarities too. We all have the yin-yang and the Oneness in our connection from what I can see. I agree 5 & 1 are similar, but they are also opposite by 5 is introverted thinking (they think about their views and ideology) and 1 are extroverted thinking (they voice their views and ideology). 7 & 2 are very similar, but also opposites. 2 are primarily emotional and more into others, while 7 are primarily thinking and more into themselves. Actually, I'd say that 2's are very into themselves. They do what they do because they demand love and consideration, not for any altruistic purpose. Altruism is the type 1 thing. > I agree 4 and 8 are opposites, but they are both similar by being in the Reactionary Triad wanting intense responses from their mates. And 3 and 9 can be similar as far as they both are on the equilateral triangle prefering to repress their prefered center. They both don't openly show their negative emotions outwardly. You can compare 6 with others too because 6 are opposite and similar to the others, but they are also opposite and similar within their ownselves. Ha, ha, ha. I told my best friend who is a wonderful 6w7 that she is a Yin-Yang. I feel bad for her fearfulness. It has to be tornment! I remember when I was a little girl how tornmented I felt living in fear whenever I heard a loud motor cycle because I was afraid it was my bully cousin coming over to terrorize us again. > I see, we are thinking alone the same lines. I am impressed with your knowledge Bartholomew! I hope I helped figure out the situation between 4 & 8 both in the Reactionary Triad according to Riso. 3 and 9 are both on the equilateral triangle (so is 6), which means that they idealize their traid inside and outwardly. Six don't really need anybody to be compared to since they are their own Yin-Yang. Ha, ha, ha. Don't think in terms of triads. Think in terms of type motivations, and then try to relate that to trust. I agree with you on type 6. Here, though, it's useful to remember that the yin-yang is not phobic-counterphobic. The yin-yang here is trusting-nontrusting. Phobic means that one does not trust one's ability to fight, and instead trusts one's ability to run or hide, or the ability of others to protect one. Counterphobic means that one doesn't trust the protective ability of others or the ability to run or hide. It means that one trusts one's ability to fight. BOTH counterphobicism and phobicism are because of distrust of something else. They're both off the point. The point is that type 6's issue is deciding what to trust. Yin = trust, yang = distrust.
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