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Enneagram Main Board Archive Re: Different perspectives of the Enneagram.Posted by Bartholomew (63.214.94.108) on April 29, 2002 at 13:57:36: In Reply to: Different perspectives of the Enneagram. posted by KJ Always (209.214.15.147) on April 28, 2002 at 23:22:13: > It appears to me that your focus on the Enneagram is concerning "Trust", which is a very interesting perspective. Hey, I don't think someone wrote a book from the perspective of trust. It's not my pre-existing focus. I am proposing a NEW way of looking at the Enneagram. I'm not invalidating the other ways, or arguing for a view that I've already put forth. Let's say that an imaginary group of people had been studying trees. This group of people had been looking at the height of the trees as a method of classifying them. Then someone in the group (let's call him Fred) came up with the idea of looking at the color of the trees. That new way of looking at the trees isn't Fred's "focus" on trees (he's just proposed it, remember), and nor does it mean that the people in the group should stop describing trees in terms of height. It DOES mean, however, that when Fred is talking about similarities among trees in terms of color, it's not relevant to say how they are similar or different based on height. > So how are they twos? The two motivation is receiving love, remember. If people are not looking for that, they aren't twos. Perhaps they were once twos, but they abandoned that fixation and became typeless. (I have no comment on the next four paragraphs) > Sometimes, 2 are not busy loving people, instead, I had a friend who was busy putting on the image of love when she actually think badly of people, while smiling in their faces claiming to love them so much and misses them and say the opposite behind their backs. I don't call that love. I call that putting on an image of being loving, so people would validate her goodness because she does not feel that she is good, sometime. Man, it is a nightmare to see a 2 at their stress point because their sweet and saintly image turns demonic when she is not being externally validated by people that she is as wonderful (delusional) as she claim to be! I never want to be around that woman again!!! > It is very common for 7 and 2 to be mistyped that is why they include that in books when they deal with the topic of mistyping. Some 2 look very much like a 7. I know a few of them. I can't just go by books when it comes to the Enneagram, I allow various types to teach me what those words means in the books! This help me to be more effective in how I help people and having them to grow into a happy life. Seeing their transformation is fascinating and liberating. I have learned a lot from them. > My best friend is a 6 (phobic). Her issues is not about trusting her ability to fight. Her issues is about safety. She doesn't trust anything that does not appear to be safe. I can't relate to how much she doubt the safety of places that I never question. I understand the girl is a 6 and there is nothing I could do about her perceptions but not to marry a 6 man. ha, ha, ha. I am glad that I am able to help her to find the way to overcome self destructive tendencies and become successful and stable in life. She is my hero because she did all the hard work to get where she is now. It is a miracle of actualization. She wrote to someone telling them how I helped her with the Enneagram and think I should have the opportunity to become certified and help more people. She touched my heart with her words to my surprised. She is amazing on how much she have overcame her fears and issues of doubt. Wow! Her boyfriend is a 9w1. > > It is okay if you think I am thinking alone the wrong lines. You have a right to your perceptions. I am not the type who think like fundementalist who says if you don't believe as I do, then you are wrong. I recognize the Enneagram to be a very broad concept that people can write many books about the Enneagram from many different perspectives. It is a matter of interpretation, just like thousands of Christian sects interpret the same Bibles in many different ways. I truly believe we are individualists and that is the beauty of humanity and diversity. I am not going to argue your perception of the Enneagram because you look at it from a different perspective than I do. I am glad my perception of the Enneagram works for me and help people to have happier lives if they chose it. See what I said at the top. > I know you say don't think of it in terms of triads, but I am a person who looks at the whole picture and look at the Enneagram from various angles because we are multi-dimensional species from what I have observe. If your views of the Enneagram works for you and get results of helping people to transform their lives than that is wonderful. I have learned a lot about myself in the process of helping others, and I am growing too. When people do things that does not make sense about that core personality type, then I look at it from many different angles and find the answers and is amazed! > I am sorry if it bothers you that I don't look at the Enneagram based on the Trust issues. That is not my thing, and I respect it as your perspective of the Enneagram. The whole point of my original post was, "What happens if we look at the Enneagram based on trust?" If you don't want to do that, why did you even bother responding? > I will be looking for your book someday. I am more into intra and interpersonal relationships of the Enneagram because that is how I relate to the Enneagram. I look at the Enneagram from Riso-Hudson and Hurley-Donson prospective mixed with my own insight and experiences with real people and myself. I believe each personality type can have atleast 54 basic variations, not counting degrees and pathology. I treat each personality type as a fixed, definite concept. The only variations are in the PEOPLE. If people have different characteristics, they respond to different motivations in different ways. > I don't claim to know it all, but I looking forward to learning more and more. My goal in life is to bring more harmony in the world, one person at a time. Peace begins with me, you and each individual. Looking forward to learning more of your theories of the Enneagram. > If you are an 1 with a need to be right and make others wrong, then I will say you are right about your perspective of the Enneagram. I am not into the win-loose approach when everybody experiences are valid. If you have any problem with what I say about the Enneagram, then I would advise you to contact Riso-Hudson and Hurley-Donson about the Triads. There are hundreds of books out there on the Enneagram with various perceptions, like the Fourth Way, The one who brung it to the US, That guy whose name is Bear, and so many more from various religious and spiritual foundation. If we debate about who is wrong and who is right, makes us no different from those religions who fight in the name of God or in the name of their religious institution. I hope you can understand where I am coming from, and it's okay if you do not agree with me. Thanks. It's not a matter of agreement or disagreement. Metaphorically, I invented backgammon (representing the type 6 Enneagram) and offered to play a game, and you responded with chess strategy (representing the traditional Enneagram). I'm not disagreeing with your chess strategy (traditional Enneagram), but I'm saying it's inappropriate for the purpose of backgammon, which it is.
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