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Enneagram Main Board Archive This MBTI thing has over looked me and left me out!Posted by Flower Pagan (68.35.113.192) on January 27, 2003 at 14:48:02: Hi Pork! I hope you don't mind me bringing our conversation up here, instead of being buried too far down. LOL Even beyond David Keirsey or whatever his name is. The MBTI doesn't seem to adequately fit my personality, no more than the Hipprocrates four temperaments or four humors does. I feel overlooked by the Myers and Briggs theory as well. Riso and Condon seems to come the closest to acknowledging my existance. Riso acknowledge us Ambiverts where many psychologists don't, which was the first confusing thing I have noticed in my first psychology class. I can relate to type Fours need to be understood. I don't try to be unique or different, except when I want to run mundane guys away. LOL I have tried to be normal, sometimes, I have succeeded and sometimes, I don't, it all depends on the situation. I feel normal in an environment where diversity and individuality is a part of the norm because different aspects of myself is free to come out and not limited who I am. Can you relate to that? > > > You're a 6w5 and an INTJ. This is what Pork wrote to Perceiver from another post below about being normal. I guess, P has a preferance of seeing himself as normal. > > Really? I am wondering would I rather be intellectual and mundane or being unique and original? > How about both? INTJ and ENFP are both rare, though I'd rather apply those adjectives (intellectual, unique) to a person than to a type. I think I am more rare than that because MB can't seem to come up with a type that fits who I am. I do feel overlooked and left out, though. > > Hmmmm..... That is something to think about. I have to admit, being normal does seem a little boring and mundane at times. > It's highly rated by some, and lowly rated by others. I don't need to tell you whose view I like more. I have noticed that, but I am aware that we need all kinds to make this world function the way it does. We need the mundane people, just as much as we need the unique and original people to bring about a balance. I appreciate them all, but I find being around unique people to be more interesting for me. > > I can really relate!!! I have my work cut out for me too. I don't have those advantages of having an ordinary personality either. Sometimes, it is fun to be unusual and sometimes, it is painful to be so different. > All life is a trade-off of some kind, wouldn't you say? In the words of Emerson, "If [Archimedes and Newton] had been good fellows, fond of dancing, port and clubs, we should have had no Theory of the Sphere and no Principia." I guess so. Archimedes and Newton made that choice to sacrifice for the bettering our world, though some of us take people like them for granted, unfortunately. I just want Developmental Psychology theorists to not over look me because I am in this world too, just like the rest of the people that they talk about. I want a better understanding of who and why I am, just like anybody else. Well, I know I am not an intellectual scientific genuis who prefers to be alone with my research, experiments, inventions, etc... > > So what is your social and vocational solution of your unusualness on this planet? > Learning to take it easy and be comfortable with myself, I guess, since that's a major part of the foundation of social and vocational self-establishment. That sounds like a wise decision. I am more comfortable with myself when I am being productive seeing results of my achievements, whether it is dealing with subjectivity or logical facts or practical productivity. Perhaps, I need to relax a little more and not allow this MBTI drive me crazy. I have to accept that I am multi-dimensional. I like theories and practical results, whatever works, is my motto. Let scientist do their things to create cures and Inventors use their imagination to invent things that may better our lives. I believe the facts speak for themselves and it is also are principles too, why does it have to be one or the other? I see facts and opinions both as valid in their rightful place, so how could I logically choose between the two? When people tell me their problems, I see facts and opinions all blend in together. I don't see one over the other. They are both valid to gain a better understanding, even in the development of the Enneagram for it to help others to gain practical results from it. That is my opinion based on results.
> You're welcome, and thanks for just being you, too. You are such a sweetheart! That is my subjective opinion based on observation of your communication pattern with me. LOL > ^(oo)^ You really are my kindred spirit. I learned that word from watching Anne of Green Gables. I can relate to her too, but not as much as I relate to Maria in sound of music. I hope I am more exciting than her. LOL
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