Posted by Flower Pagan (68.35.113.192) on January 28, 2003 at 01:42:31:
In Reply to: Keirsey, MBTI (& Socionics) differ posted by FYI (63.190.104.111) on January 27, 2003 at 23:40:22:
> You come across as an ESFP 2 from my limited read.
FP: Well, I guess, I could take that as a compliment that I appear loving and compassion, type 2. I can only wish I was like those Twos that I do admire because they can love with the most compassionate love known to society. I wish I could go out there and open my arms and love everybody and anybody with great compassion and affection, but I feel terrible because I can't or won't. I would feel too awkward. When I compare myself to type Twos, I feel very sad and ungrateful because people always loved me and accepted me, even when I was sick. Especially, one of my brother's god mothers, who died when I was about 6 or 7 years old.
FP: Sometimes, I have felt like I don't deserved to have such a good life because I can't love people like a Two does. My friends knows that I feel bad that I don't give them the love like a Two, like they deserve. One of them is a Two and the other one is a Four, but they both don't hold it against me that I reminded them of a man in my approach. I made an effort to be more loving and connect with my feminine feelings more, since they are my closest friends. One of them said something very nice that made me feel good about who I am. She said, "I appreciate your logic". I am result oriented and don't like to waste people's time with psychobabble. I am glad to see Dr. Phil use a similar approach that I used, except he is far more professional and quicker than I am, and he doesn't worry about upseting his friends, like I do. I think the results are evidence of how much I love them. I love them with the truth that will set them free, but not in a harsh sort of way.
FP: Should I try to make an effort and maybe, I can impersonate a Two. I have seen enough Twos to know how to impersonate them. I haven't contribute nothing to this world that will impact our world for the better. God knows, to make my friends laugh, I have impersonate Twos enough to do a good job at it. I say to them, "chicken soup, eat your soup, it is good for you" and my make my voice sound saintly and angelic, like a loving mother. I can't help myself, I am a silly person. I like how Twos can make me feel special and nurtured. They love the little kid in me. One Two calls me her "silly wabbit".
FP: I have read about ESFP and considered that, but I see it to be too extreme and lacking half of who I am. It lacks the instrospective side, my spirituality, my values, my seeing human potentials and my ability to help people with my practical insightfulness. It only cover my sense of child-like fun, playfulness and silliness. I don't have a problem learning theories, like ESFP does, according to the MBTI authors. If I did not like theories, I would surely hate the Enneagram and wasting my time with this message board. I think MBTI is an imbalance theory when it comes to trying to describe my personality. David Keirsey, describes SPs as people who are superficial that are into drinking, sexual immorality, gambling in Vegas (I hate Vegas. If Froggy wanted to get married there and/or have a honeymoon there, it would be with someone else, not me!), party animals, thrill seekers with no intrapersonal relationship with themselves. And describes ENFP as too serious and too instropective that only can see what their imagination sees with no sense of practicality. I consider that theory to be imcomplete and does not cover everybody. Socionics is more way off than David Keirsey. Riso and condon, the Enneagram authors, seems to be the ones who acknowledges my existance as a personality type! I am glad that they don't over look me.
FP: Is it the ESFP who can fix things without instruction or much knowledge, well, I could do that all of my life. I knew how to hook up cable TV as a child, inside part and outside parts of the house, but I did not know how to do common things that most people knew years younger than I did. I knew how to build onto someone's club house to be secure enough to keep their rabbit inside and other stuff like that, which whatever scraps were available to me. I even trouble shoot my computer problems and don't know much about stuff like that. I have a strange mind, but it serves me pretty good. I also could analyze the Enneagram and find the oneness of the theory of how each type connects with all of them. I am not either or, I can do both what ESFP do and what ENFP does too. I have no problem with details and facts, nor do I have a problem with speculation and seeing the big picture.
> Consider repression as a defense that limits introspection.
FP: Introspection. Hmmm... I think I stay in my head too much at times. I do journaling in my books and also started about 7 of them on Oprah.com online Journaling. If you read it, you would see how introspective I am. I do my reflective thinking on there as well because her shows gives me a lot to think about.
> Anger, Love, Goodness?
FP: I believe in love and goodness, which is good traits for anybody to have if they want it. Those words means different things to different people. "Remember there is no reality, just perception"- Dr. Phil. I believe I do love people in my own sort of way. I don't feel like I have to hug and kiss on them to show my love. I show love by being supportive and receptive of people, accepting them as they are as much as possible. Goodness is also a matter of perception. Some may think Dr. Phil is mean, but I see him as a good person who cares about people with the loving truth that will set them free. I consider myself to be a nice person who tries to get alone with people, but I don't aways succeed when I am being resistant of people trying to control me. Most people would say I am nice, funny, friendly, and unusual. Sometimes, gregarious. I was a good little girl that stayed out of trouble all of my life. The consequences of getting into trouble did not appeal to me at all! I just stay peaceful and cause nobody trouble as much as possible.
FP: Yes, sometimes, I do feel anger, just like any other human being, but I see no reason for me to act irrational with it. Do you? It doesn't solve anything from what I have observed in other people. I have made an effort to be aware when I am angry and use it for energy, like Riso says. Those who are close to me knows when I am angry because I am more quiet and passive and reply with "It doesn't matter" to their question. Riso has helped me to see that I need to sacrifice a moments peace and deal with things that is bothering me and have more peace in the long run, and he is right! Life is more peaceful now.
FP: Do you want to know about anger, I am a little upset with psychology, including MBTI for over looking me in their dumb theories as if I don't exist with the rest of the population. I know I am unique, but I can't be that unique, could I? Maybe, I am that unique since so many people in various states have told me that they have never met anybody like me before. I don't mind being unique sometimes, but I sometimes wants to be like everybody else, so I won't be alone in how I am. Well, I have Sound of Music's Maria to be unique with me, though she is only a character, but there must be others like her in this world for them to create her. I believe I have seen others in other movies and musicals, I think. I don't care how unique, I am, I want those psychologists to notice people like me and write about us in their stupid books. It hurts to be left out. I may not be as emotional as some people are, but I do have feelings too! Do you know any theorists of Developmental Psychology that I can write to?