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Re: Karen Webb
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Posted by johnny five on February 28, 1999 at 05:48:39:
In Reply to: Karen Webb posted by Peter on February 27, 1999 at 15:27:51:
Karen Webb's nice little intro book on Elements Press from UK,
is that what you refer to? You make some excellent points about
civility that are probably very true. But, even if you can get everyone on the
board to ban typing then what a boring board it would be. Maybe
there is a need to have different grades of board. A 'bunny hill' for
the young and faint of heart might be needed, where some young person
new to the enneagram who has a tenuous grasp both on it and their ego
won't have brusque Johnny Five dropping bricks of 'wisdom' on their heads.
Maybe a separate board where people work intensely on typing is needed.
The short time I've been on the board I've caught on that there are
people here with a variety of levels of sophistication regarding both
the enneagram and their own psychological state, and with varying
levels of realistic grasp on just how much they actually know about
this topic. You're a good social leader to watch out for everyone, dude,
more than I can say for myself. However, if a consensus develops on this
issue I'll 'play ball' for the 'family values' softball team
(I guess I'll be out in left-field!) Regarding your other comments from the amanda string...
Most of the typing guesses made by people
on the board about themselves, each other, and famous people seem
pretty off to me. I mean, they are as good a guess as can be made
given that people are working off of those pop-enneagram books.
The current level of understanding is OK for most of the public for
just the reasons you mentioned regarding Karen Webb. Most of them
are best off thinking what they think about what their own numbers are
or they will have ego robustness problems.
But, to you, Peter, I say that there is a core/essence 'starting-point'
number for each person and that many people are delusional as to
this deeper level of enneagram structure in their personalities.
Usually the person thinks they are some number due to family background
or they get the subtype right but are unaware of the next level.
For example, you can have a 6 who acts like a 2 (ie, a 6 with a 2 subtype)
and most enneagram typers will mistake that person for a 2. They will
be accurate enough for parlor games, but will miss that next level.
I would guess that happens on this board a lot. De Bono is probably a 6, and if you like him that much you probably
are also. I'm an ambivert, extraverted half the day and introverted half the day.
Bill Gates is fairly extraverted which is unusual for a 5 who are usually
introverts or ambiverts. It is due to his high aggregrate totals
for all three triads, hence he has enough insulation to be fairly
public for a five. Fives without the insulation of the gut center padding
and patience, and the comfortable with people heart triad energy
generally suffer in public. Of course, there is no convincing anyone of what I'm saying.
If you really want to test it out why don't you read that Tony Hillerman
novel I mentioned in an earlier post? That's why I put it up there,
but hardly a response to that one. Until we go through some examples
inch by inch, like Bible scholars doing a scripture exegesis, then you don't
know what the heck I actually am talking about. And if you aren't
willing to do even that level of work then you are not very serious
in your criticisms of my method, such that it is, and are actually
in that other category of person we talked of, the ones who need
denial to protect their egos from things they are not ready to know
about themselves. Please take this as an observation, not a challenge,
since I don't care if you do it or not, just note that without such
an effort to actually rigorously test my typing contentions it is
hard for me to take your questions or criticisms seriously.
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