Posted by KJ Always (kjalways@usa.net) on February 26, 1998 at 18:17:01:
In Reply to: Who sane? Oh yeah, maybe Saddam.... posted by Derf on February 14, 1998 at 23:55:57:
Derf and Bibi, I really can relate to you two, especially Bibi! I am silly and gigglish when I go shopping. Sometimes observers can see me in my own little world entertaining myself. When I am out I am like a little kid too. I can relate to the four two except the depressing traits in my adult years. Derf, you say I sound like a Seven just like your friend.
I really see myself in Bibi's writings. I could not believe she likes to show off just as much as I do. I am sometimes an exhibitionist myself especially when it comes to singing for fun and when I used to go skating a lot. I love to show off! I love attention and for people to admire my creative talents. Today, I shown people my little ring case that I've
painted and I enjoyed seeing people amazed with my work. Most of them suggest that I make more and sell them. I am very sociable, but I also enjoy withdrawing to myself at home. You guys wants to talk about MESSY! My mother use to throw away my art as a child (that scared me for life!) because I had a lot of paper on the floor! I still do in my own apartment!
I tried to organized a section of my living room to be my arts and crafts corner. I have five different types of paints, sewing craft stuff, and more. I want people to come over and do colliages(misspelled word). I realized I have to do arts and crafts in ought remain sane and bubbly. My time alone is a requirement if I want to remain the bubbly 7 person that
I am. Seven's are messy that is why they need a maid. I am very sentimental when I know it is practical or safe to be vulnerable. Smile. Bibi, do people tell you that you are eccentric? They tell me that sometimes when I think I am dressing within the realm of normality. I know I am different because far too many people told me that they have never met anybody
like me before. I am usually known as a cheerful person unlike the type 4 who is known to be melancholic in nature. I used to think that I was a four until I read that 4's don't blend with people that well when I read in Riso's book "Understanding the Enneagram" in the misidentifications towards the back part. I read the difference between the 6 and the 4 is
that the 6 is integrating and sociable and the 4 is not.
I am going to school for Human Service (my beginning stage of becoming a psychologist). I love psychology and the arts. I also want to be a cartoonist/illustrator and a Singer/entertainer. What about you two?
I always felt different all of my life because people didn't think like me nor had interest in the things that I enjoy. When I was in elementary school, I would prefer to go off into the woods than to play with other children. I would feel so happy in my own little world surrounded by nature and I would sing joyfully. I hate city life as a place to live. A lot
people down here in Palm Beach county likes to go to Miami to hang out and I don't. I prefer going to a camping resort and have natural fun: canoing, horse back riding, swimming, nature hiking, etc. I am very sociable though I hate crowded places where you have to bump into people all the time. I like open space where you can meet people and talk. I seem to be
drawn to those individuals that don't seem to be conventional and/or eccentric. I am a christian, but it is difficult to stay inside the box. I like other philosophies that seems to enhance my Biblical knowledge and christian prospective. I have traditional values in the form of unconventional way of expressing it.
I will attempt to answer Derf's questions that he have asked Bibi.
My philosophy on life: I believe that God wants use to be happy and not hurt other people. I believe life is a gift that we should not take for granted and put our dreams off. I believe that we all should want to strive for actualization like Oprah did. I believe our sad moments are a sign that we need to deal with our inner emotions and face whats inside that needs
to be resovled and settle. I believe the truth will set us free from destructive patterns.
The way that I feel in everyday situations: I feel differently at different times. I sometimes feel insecure and don't feel like I belong (even in church). I appear to be happy because I am always singing and don't look depressed. Even when I feel sad, I still appear happy to people most of the time because I am singing. I want to uplift people as a gift of my love
for them despite of my mood. If I am too weary and heavy laden, I would withdrawl when the opportunity presents itself, like when I go home, I don't come out unless I have to go somewhere or I would forget my engagements if it would not hurt my life and future. I would talk to people if they call or visit. Stress would cause me to want to stay
in my comfort zone-home. When I was a child, I was withdrawn in my own home at times in my room for many hours in my imagination whether it is visual art, performing art, or creative writing (literary art). I hate graphic and commercial art which is not from the heart of creativity as far as I am concerned. It is too technical and commercialized.
I feel and learned to make the best of a situation as much as I am able to when my skin isn't crawling. smile. I feel life should be more adventureous, creative, philosophical, healthy and loving with unconditional acceptance. My gay friends know that I don't agree with homosexuality, but I accept them as they are with their right to live life as
they choose to do so without hurting anybody else in the process. People who don't generally like christians will talk to me because we share art and creativity in common.
The way that I feel about certain people...: I feel people are not in touch with themselves and they continue to repeat the same destructive pattern to their old age miserable and bitter or just mundane like my family. I think their are wonderful people of all races and in most religions. I admire people who is growing and/or loving. I love being around creative people
who are as open and expressive as I am. I don't paricularily care for those christians who put down other sects of Christianity who don't share their interpretations of the Bible when the Bible did not know any denominations during that time. I believe the church is the people who are components of the body of Christ as a whole. I believe we all
are connected, even from other religions in a sense of being earthly siblings. The earth is our mother because we came out of her womb and was fertilized with the breathe of the father according to Genesis chapter one. This is how I see it in the Bible. I was impressed by God to read the Bible for myself and understand it from my heart. I love people
who could accept other people's views without forcing their will on them.
The way that I feel about myself: I feel that I am very nice most of the time. I feel that I am an unusual person and that is okay. I have learned to allow people to know more about my individuality and cultural tastes though some would verbally abuse me for it or ridicule me for it. I laugh when people react to their distaste for opera music. Ha, ha, ha. I am funny as I
can be. I was the class clown in high school as a superlative. I was always clowning around and still do as an adult. I hate profanity. I am friendly with a fear of intimacy (fear of getting hurt and being controlled). I have expensive taste because I like whatever is pretty and expresses me. I don't care if it cost only a dollar. I collect bunny rabbits. Conventional people
sometimes find my openness a culture shock to their surface way of life. I feel I am not a four because I am one of those playful, silly and humorous folks like Riso lable the people in the fear tread. I think I am kind of cute in a non-materialistic plastic sort of way. I feel fine in my bummy way of dress and my cute dressy-casual days. I dress comfortable with no set way of
dress unless you want to lable me as ready for recreational activity in my feminine tomboy sort of way.
What would I like to contrite to the world: I want to contribute my love through humor and insight of my views of people's personalities that could set them free to live life happily and actualized from destructive patterns that hinders their growth through the method of Humanistic Psychology that includes the ENNEAGRAM!!!!
I want to contribut my humor as a form of therapy. The Bible says a merry heart is like medicine in the book of proverbs in the 15 and 17 chapters I think. I want to help people with humor and psychology and the arts with short term enjoyment and long term insight that promotes inner growth and healing. I want everybody to find happiness after the storm of healing that is needed.
I want to contribute my cartoons, philosophy, songs, humor, and friendship to the chosen individuals. I am not a cliquish person.
The special people in my life: I like those who are honest, kind, creative, compassionate, friendly, and philosophical about life. I like people like Derf who is so cool and intelligent and so in touch with himself and open.
Bibi, you said that you are not one who works well with groups, neither do I. I am far better with customer service than I am with co-workers. I am thinking of starting my own business. I can't believe we share so much in common. Thanks to you and Derf, I am able to openly talk about my messiness so freely. I feel my inside have friends to talk to and to grow with. Please tell me more and let us compare
notes. Are you friendly? Do you say hi to people, even strangers? Did your family laugh at you and took your sensitivity as a joke. As a child, I was moody as far as hyperactivity and sociable or withdrawn didn't feel like I belong. I went throug truama as a child with repressed emotions. Do you bounce back up after a bad experiece? Could you relate to me too? Do you long to connect with others who are
your kindred spirits that shares your interests and enneagram characteristics. I still am a kid though I am an adult with responsibilies. I don't go through black moods like type 4 though I may withdraw when I am able to be alone for a spell. Are you romantic too? In childhood, I love to draw people kissing just like I do now. Feel free to e-mail me at kjalways@usa.net. Any comments anybody?
As far as Derf is concerned, He is far too insightful and intelligent and in touch with himself to be a materialistic money hungrey and controlling 7w8 Ennetype! 7w8's doesn't care about getting in touch with themselves outside of getting in touch with the money in large bulks to enjoy life in excess. Derf is superb and amazing. Bibi, do you find that you will be generous and cheap alternating in one?