Posted by Ryan on June 27, 1999 at 19:07:58:
In Reply to: Re: 5w4 or 9w1 (anger and negotiating strategies) posted by Deep Thought on June 27, 1999 at 15:57:10:
Fives get most angry at people who invade their personal space. 5s also get angry at individuals who try to control them and the way they think. However, they don't go out of their way to get into confrontations (unless they are intellectual confrontations) and if a 5 does get angry, it is usually a big outburst which quickly subsides. Ten minutes later, you'd never even know that a 5 was ever angry. I believe this is because 5s believe anger (all emotion, maybe) is counterproductive to thinking and understanding and because of this they intellectualize their anger away.
There is a good reason why dictatorial governments kill off the intellectuals when they take power. 5s aren't afraid to act on their anger. 5s can be as righteous as 1's can but it's mostly because 5s want the right to be left alone. But, if you don't bother 5s, they are rather harmless individuals, considering their main desire is to observe and not to judge or control.
As for whether a 5 can ever be harmonious enough never to get angry... Only at the extremely healthiest level. And, if a 5 locks himself in an ivory tower and doesn't let anyone in, then the 5 might not be angry. But only a super unhealthy 5 would ever do this, because 5s need the world around them so that they can gain understanding (data input). Because a 5 needs the world, he's going to feel that it's too intrusive sometimes, so I believe that it's impossible for most 5s to not become angry once in a while. On the other hand, I've known some 9s who I've never seen ever get angry (didn't know them extremely well. I imagine even 9s can become angry)
Ryan
Oh, a side note... As for the Asianness of 5/9, I would say that 9 is much more firmly in the eastern tradition, 5 in the western tradition. I go to the bookstore and try to read the Zen books and the "at-peace anti-intellectualism" aspect of it can be fairly annoying to me. Western philosophers love to argue with each other, though. Even western style paganist philosophy has a 4/5ishness to it, if you read enough of it. Of course these are generalizations which will probably be flamed by several people on the board, but it's how I observe it. :)
> How do 5's handle anger? Can an individual be a five and be harmonius to the point that they never get angry? I also see a difference between a nine just going along and later just doing what they want, and avoiding confrontation by going along and over time negotiating a new position.
> The nine/five style seems very asian to me in that yes probably means maybe and maybe usually means no. I know that's the case with me simply because I don't like directness and always need time to think about things. Maybe this alone defines the nine, but I wonder if this could also be five behavior.
> Deep thought (one who thinks he may be a five, but identifies with the 9)