Re: Freedom from type, idealism or realism?

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> Ryan, > It never ceases to amaze me how you can misinterpret, or reinterpret what I say into it's complete opposite. > > This is all very interesting, Dave. I don't quite understand the "clockwise" aspect of it, however. > ---------------------------- > That's probably because you haven't studied anything other than the enneagram from a typology or personality pattern approach. Read Micael Goldberg's book, "9 ways of working" for a hybrid approach between typology and enneagram dynamics. Study Icahzo's work for more depth. > I would say that your secondary wing type (very repressed) acts out first, because at the moment of shock you lose control of the self-controlling aspect of your personality. That wing that you don't normally want to acknowledge (because it is contrary to your primary wing type) thus emerges. Then, after you regain control, you swing over to the primary wing, which is the type of your personality which normally comes into play during a crisis/stressful situation. Finally, depending on your healthiness, in a certain amount of time your true enneagram type comes into control, and you gain control of the crisis (at least for the moment :) . > -------------------------------------- > See references above. The secondary wing is often called the shadow ala Jung. > > This stuff about energy flowing between points sounds almost a little mystical to me... > ------------------------------------------ > Substitute attention, motivation, consciousness, or awareness for energy and see how it fits/ > > I'm glad you posted some more of what you believe. However, I still think that enneagram types are necessary components in order to retain our humanity. > ------------------------------------- > Only if you confuse your ego and personality with your humanity. > > I've been thinking about this and what it seems to me you are saying is that there is one road to true wisdom, and to do this we must first shed our types. > --------------------------------------------- > This is the opposite of what I'm saying. If there were one road to freedom and wisdom we'd all be scientologists!:) There are 9 general paths, that's what the enneagram demonstrates, but each path has a pre-established direction for growth. All roads lead home. > I have been influenced greatly by Plato's "Republic" and structural-functionalist sociology. Both of these argue that an ideal society consists of healthy individuals each performing the task that best suits him or her. This would be a "hive mentality" where happiness would be in performing the task that psychologically suited you best. > --------------------------------------- > Yeah, I think they tried that in Russia, China, East Germany, etc.. > What would happen if we all became like you said, free from all fixation? > -------------------------------------- > Imagine there's no country, I wonder if you can, > Nothing to kill or die for, a brotherhood of man............ > Now I'm free! Free Falling!! > If that person acts in any way at all, they are becoming a personality type, an enneagram type, and thus, by your definition, flawed. Of course, you can argue that someone free of enneagram type will no the exact best thing to do in every situation and be able to act like any enneagram type they want without becoming that type. But I find this a very implausible way of viewing how even the healthiest human being would work > ------------------------------------- > My vision is that they would act and perceive like a 1 in a situation that needed a 1; A 2 in a situation that needed a 2;etc................. > They wouldn't be stuck in a mode of being that wasn't optimal for them. > > Dave

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