Re: 3's & MBTI

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: I just found this web-site, so I will give you my two cents worth, four months late. : 1) There is a definite relationship between the eight Jungian Types and the Enneagram : 2) The Enneagram has one more point at Point Three. This performs the psychological function of Jungian Persona, and the physical function of Gurdjieff moving functions. : 3) The MBTI can be deconstructed into 16 pairs of conscious Jungian function-attitudes or processes. But the 16 MBTI pairs are a subset of many other legal pairs of Jugian processes. : 4) I am a Riso-Hudson Certified Enneagram Teacher, and am certified with the MBTI. : 5) I have built on Don Riso's Jungian assignments in his book and found our which ones were the superior gifts of an Enneagram Point, and which ones (at Eight, Nine, and Four] are not. : 6) I have verified this using RHETI and MBTI on people who have almost pure types, so we know that they are in fact reporting their first two Jungian functions. That is the only way that True MBTI Type can be found and match MBTI definitions. : 7) I have published my results in Enenagram Monthly. The latest article is in the 1998 April issue. : : 8) I have integrated my system called the Enneagram of Consciousness with Jungian psychology AND John Bennett's enneagaram process model. : 9) I have published my system in the IEEE papers for 1 1997 Conference on Fuzzy Logic and Cybernetics. I show there that the Enneagram Law of Three corresponds closely to Zadeh's fuzzy logic system. : 10) : My assignments for Jungian attitude and function for the nine enneagram points are - : Point Jungian Process (SUPERIOR MOST DIFFERENTIATED) : : One Extraverted Thinking : Two Extraverted Feeling : Three Extraverted - Persona and Gurdjieff Moving Function : Point Three is where physical contact takes place. : Language is spoken from this point by moving muscles. : Four Extraverted Intuition : Five Introverted Thinking : Six Introverted Feeling : Seven Extraverted Sensation : Eight Inroverted Sensation : Nine Introverted Intuition : : 10) You are correct in assuming Three has a lot to do with intuition, and so does Point Four. : If your MBTI Type is a True MBTI Type (namely your actual first two functions according the MBTI definitions) - then this is defined as : : Dominant Enneagram Point Four with an auxilary Wing at Point Five : because ENTP is an exact definition for 4w5. However, MBTI excludes Point Three's Moving Functions, since Jung intentionally excluded motor functions to have a pure psychological system. It was assumed that one acts with motor functions after being motivated by Psychological functions - but moving that was not Jung's focus, except later to include the Persona as the actual human interface between psyche and real people in the real world. : It would also be true to say that you may be a Four with as Three wing. 4w3, or even 4 wing 3 and wing 5. : : Does this make any sense to you?? : Walter : ========================== : : : I have been interested in the Myers-Briggs test for : : years, but only recently discovered the enneagram. : : I am a 3, and an ENTP, and have been trying to correlate : : the two systems. My question is this: in my years of : : type-watching, I have come to believe that the largest : : variation is between the S's and the N's. Has anyone : : figured out how this corresponds to the enneagram? I : : have read all the literature, Helen Palmer and : : especially Don Riso who I think has fleshed out his : : descriptions the best of anyone I have seen. I enjoyed : : very much his theory of developmental stages. However, : : I persist in believing that there is a strong dichotomy : : in personalities that it described very well by the S/N : : distinction. Is there any similiar split in the types : : of the enneagram? Perhaps I am just confused because : : there is apparantly no direct correspondance between 3's : : and the MB. Has anyone given this any thought? Any 3's : : out there who think that have found themselves in the : : MB? All that I have read suggests that it is an ST type : : focused on achievement. But I have a problem with this, : : believing as I do that you almost would have to be an N : : to be as suceptible to cultural expectations as the 3 : : seems to be! In short I think I am a very strong N and : : am having trouble seeing how this corresponds to the : : apparent S-ness of type 3!! Any comments?

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