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Enneagram Main Board Archive Re: Empathy = fear + identification?Posted by Ronnie on August 01, 1999 at 08:37:58: In Reply to: Empathy = fear + identification? posted by Tal on July 31, 1999 at 21:22:17: Hearing people explaining something that completely alien and telling why that something is utterly bad...hmmm. What's about this two bashing anyway? Now that at least four and seven have been found bad, is it time to show the world the utter meaness, evilness, corruptioness, rotteness, devilishness, bad breath and lack of deodorant in type number 2? Ok, you've had bad experiences with twos, believe or not I have too. As well as with sevens. And fives, can you imagine? Terrible threes, intolerable fours, nasty sixes, nines that have to dragged around, that eight you wish wasn't born and the anal one to top it all. Aim at a type number, shoot it down and proof just how bad everyone of that type must be, is that in question here? I'd just like to remind that each type is capable of using its strongest quality for both good and bad. Twos can be genuinely empathic or use that talent to fulfill their own needs. Fives can invent marvellous things or just use their thinking capability to boast their own ego and importance. I don't mean no offense here, but the *generally* most reclusive type assessing how possible it is connect to others' feelings and evaluating the *generally* most other-oriented types capability of doing it...sounds like a two inventing something completely impersonal and theoretical! ;) It's true that unhealthy twos (especially 2w3, in my experience) can be just f-- disgusting. But I'd also like to remind that a person who can most easily recognize an unhealthy two is a healthy two. Talking about fulfilling needs, I can very honestly say that when I'm acknowledging I have needs of my own, I'm taking care of them, then I can genuinely work in the interest of the other. When the needs I personally have are being taken care of, I can be genuinely altruistic. Don't forget that twos are around to care about others. Or maybe I should just stop being there for people who need someone? Hell, who cares about them anyway, everyone take care of yourself and get what you can! (Oops, that's me being 2c8) It makes me shiver when I hear someone saying "I resent type x people". I've had very nasty experiences with sevens, but I still don't resent them. Everyone is an individual to me and besides that, an individual having a potential to grow. Ronnie 2w1
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