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Re: Empathy = fear + identification?

Re: Empathy = fear + identification?


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Posted by Ronnie on August 01, 1999 at 10:28:52:

In Reply to: Re: Empathy = fear + identification? posted by Tal on August 01, 1999 at 09:37:30:

> So unhealthy 2w3's are more disgusting than 2w1's? Am I to take that to >mean you think a certain type better than another? No. Because this is a >question of preference, again, as opposed to judgement.

Ok, it can well be a matter of preference, but three-wingers are more likely to not question their motives or be introspective. Their influence probably extends over more people (hmm. 2w1 might wreck one person worse...) On the opposite end, I think healthy 2w3 are better in many ways with people. Anyways, I think I fall pretty heavily to eight when I disintegrate, so the two effect isn't as readily present.

> I agree that a person of one type can usually easily identify another >person of the same type. But I'm not sure it's that much easier than >passing judgement on other types. I personally find it easiest to type >7's, 8's and 2's (probably because they're generally extroverted and you >get to see more of their behaviour).

Twos "read" people well, so they generally see their motives better than threes, for example.

> You're taking this far too personally. I doubt you'd be raising the same >objections had this thread been about another type. Again (once more), I >am/was not saying Twos are bad people. They are not, any more so than any >other type is likely to be. I was giving my take on the Two mechanism. >Which is as evil a mechanism as any other when you think about it, >because all type mechanisms fundamentally exist to sacrifice long-term >happiness to short-term pain avoidance.

I'm a two, why not use myself as an example? If you want to know about my objections, read "Now listen y'all" posted at 17:33:48 7/07/99 or the whole thread, so you can see for yourself. :)

> Then you're more capable of remaining open to people than I am. I don't >disassociate myself either from 2's or any other type on the grounds of >type. But my thinking (this is not entirely within my control) goes that >if I am aware a person is a Two, I am not likely to be able to get along >with them. I'll try, but more often than not I'll fail. To which you can >say "well sure, if you don't think you will, you won't!" but again, >certain traits and character structures are incompatible. People don't >always get along with each other.

True, but I think the level of integration/disintegration has a lot to do with this. Of course there are people you just can't get along with (said by a two, remember...*S*) and nothing you can do about that. Still, I think *type* is too much of a generalisation about that.

Ronnie


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